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Late Afternoon/Early Evening Open Thread

Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 04:15:02 PM PDT

Coming Up on Sunday Kos ....

  • georgia10 will explore the new face of activism and what it looks like for the millennial generation.
  • DemFromCT will review recent polling on health care as it relates to the 2008 campaign, and the chances for health reform after the election.
  • DevilsTower will take a look back at Freedomnomics, sockpuppetry and misleading economics.
  • Think the Cold War ended? Think again. Plutonium Page will take us on a tour of one of the most contaminated nuclear sites on Earth... right here in the United States.

Late Afternoon/Early Evening Open Thread

Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 03:55:55 PM PDT

So my plans for the Fourth fell through when gas prices killed the journey of houseguests to my abode. Let me live vicariously through your plans.... What do you guys have on deck for the holiday?

Obama Issues Statement on FISA

Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:45:55 PM PDT

Issued here, where there is an ongoing discussion with policy advisors taking place:

I want to take this opportunity to speak directly to those of you who oppose my decision to support the FISA compromise.

This was not an easy call for me. I know that the FISA bill that passed the House is far from perfect. I wouldn't have drafted the legislation like this, and it does not resolve all of the concerns that we have about President Bush's abuse of executive power. It grants retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies that may have violated the law by cooperating with the Bush Administration's program of warrantless wiretapping. This potentially weakens the deterrent effect of the law and removes an important tool for the American people to demand accountability for past abuses. That's why I support striking Title II from the bill, and will work with Chris Dodd, Jeff Bingaman and others in an effort to remove this provision in the Senate.

But I also believe that the compromise bill is far better than the Protect America Act that I voted against last year. The exclusivity provision makes it clear to any President or telecommunications company that no law supersedes the authority of the FISA court. In a dangerous world, government must have the authority to collect the intelligence we need to protect the American people. But in a free society, that authority cannot be unlimited. As I've said many times, an independent monitor must watch the watchers to prevent abuses and to protect the civil liberties of the American people. This compromise law assures that the FISA court has that responsibility

The Inspectors General report also provides a real mechanism for accountability and should not be discounted. It will allow a close look at past misconduct without hurdles that would exist in federal court because of classification issues. The (PDF)recent investigation uncovering the illegal politicization of Justice Department hiring sets a strong example of the accountability that can come from a tough and thorough IG report.

The ability to monitor and track individuals who want to attack the United States is a vital counter-terrorism tool, and I'm persuaded that it is necessary to keep the American people safe -- particularly since certain electronic surveillance orders will begin to expire later this summer.  Given the choice between voting for an improved yet imperfect bill, and losing important surveillance tools, I've chosen to support the current compromise. I do so with the firm intention -- once I’m sworn in as President -- to have my Attorney General conduct a comprehensive review of all our surveillance programs, and to make further recommendations on any steps needed to preserve civil liberties and to prevent executive branch abuse in the future.

   Now, I understand why some of you feel differently about the current bill, and I'm happy to take my lumps on this side and elsewhere. For the truth is that your organizing, your activism and your passion is an important reason why this bill is better than previous versions. No tool has been more important in focusing peoples' attention on the abuses of executive power in this Administration than the active and sustained engagement of American citizens. That holds true -- not just on wiretapping, but on a range of issues where Washington has let the American people down.

   I learned long ago, when working as an organizer on the South Side of Chicago, that when citizens join their voices together, they can hold their leaders accountable. I'm not exempt from that. I'm certainly not perfect, and expect to be held accountable too. I cannot promise to agree with you on every issue. But I do promise to listen to your concerns, take them seriously, and seek to earn your ongoing support to change the country. That is why we have built the largest grassroots campaign in the history of presidential politics, and that is the kind of White House that I intend to run as President of the United States -- a White House that takes the Constitution seriously, conducts the peoples' business out in the open, welcomes and listens to dissenting views, and asks you to play your part in shaping our country’s destiny.

   Democracy cannot exist without strong differences. And going forward, some of you may decide that my FISA position is a deal breaker. That's ok.  But I think it is worth pointing out that our agreement on the vast majority of issues that matter outweighs the differences we may have. After all, the choice in this election could not be clearer. Whether it is the economy, foreign policy, or the Supreme Court, my opponent has embraced the failed course of the last eight years, while I want to take this country in a new direction. Make no mistake: if John McCain is elected, the fundamental direction of this country that we love will not change. But if we come together, we have an historic opportunity to chart a new course, a better course.

   So I appreciate the feedback through my.barackobama.com, and I look forward to continuing the conversation in the months and years to come. Together, we have a lot of work to do.

Late Afternoon/Early Evening Open Thread

Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 04:25:51 PM PDT

Nancy Pelosi discusses her favorite political blogs.

This thread--featured on one of her favorites--is now open.

McCain Can't Remember If He Understands Economics

Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 02:15:50 PM PDT

John McCain today:

The Republican presidential candidate made his comments during an exclusive interview from Cartagena, Colombia, with "Good Morning America's" Robin Roberts, who asked McCain why he went abroad when the No. 1 issue for voters was the U.S. economy.

"You have admitted that you're not exactly an expert when it comes to the economy," Roberts began.

"I have not. I have not. I actually have not," McCain interrupted. "I said that I am stronger on national security issues because of all the time I spent in the military. Very strong on the economy. I understand it. I have a lot more experience than my opponent."

McCain at a town hall meeting in January 2008:

The Obamas, Mortgages and Creditworthiness

Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 01:20:50 PM PDT

The Washington Post this morning published a breathless piece on the fact that the Obamas got a good deal on their home loan -- a 5.625% rate when the average rate was 5.93%. Needless to say, the wingnuts have worked themselves up into a froth over the information.

Let's just stand back and allow Nate Silver at FiveThirtyEight deliver the definitive smackdown:

So Obama's rate was 30 basis points better than the average. However, the amount of the loan and the nature of the property are not the only factors that determine a mortgage rate. Another major consideration is the creditworthiness of the borrower. According to current rate quotes from myFICO.com, a borrower with very good credit can expect a mortgage rate about 30 basis points better than someone with pretty good credit, and a borrower with excellent credit can expect about a 50 basis point discount.

Unless the Washington Post has access to Obama's FICO score -- and unless it has rented an apartment to him, it probably doesn't -- it is missing a pretty important piece of information on what Obama's mortgage rate ought to have been. What was Obama's FICO score? I don't know, but considering that...

* Obama had just gotten a $2.27 million book deal from Random House -- about $1 million more than the value of the mortgage.

* The Obamas each had exceptionally secure jobs that paid them a combined annual salary of about $500,000 per year.

* The Obamas had just sold their condo, on which they had realized a $137,500 profit.

* The Obamas were prominent public figures whose political futures depended in part on maintaining a reputation for responsibility and trustworthiness.

* The Obamas are known to be relatively thrifty and have no credit card debt but substantial savings.

...I would think that the Obamas were exceptionally creditworthy. So indeed, Obama received a "discount" -- the same discount that any borrower in his position would have received.

And, as Media Matters points out, "average" actually means something pertinent in this context (provided for the arithmetically challenged):

Indeed, the very concept of an "average" rate means that a substantial number of loans would have been at interest rates below the average level, as well as a substantial number above that level, and does not suggest that rates below average -- if in fact the Obamas received a below-average rate -- resulted from preferential treatment.

Late Afternoon/Early Evening Open Thread

Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 04:10:47 PM PDT

Josh Marshall is usually one of the more ... ahem ... temperate of liberal bloggers, so it's always entertaining to see him let loose when an issue gets him worked up, as the Clark-McCain-Obama-Webb-Swift Boat Vets brouhaha has. Here's TPM's Wes Clark Hyperventorama! for your viewing pleasure.

McCain: With Today's Knowledge, Still Would Vote for War

Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 02:55:47 PM PDT

Chalk up another one for John McCain under lessons unlearned:

McCain: US winning in Iraq

By BRIAN SCHEID
Bucks County Courier Times

Sen. John McCain said that he is willing to stake his presidential campaign, as well as his political career, on his support for the war in Iraq.

In an interview with reporters on the back of his campaign bus, the "Straight Talk Express" Monday afternoon, McCain said that even in retrospect he would still have voted to authorize the war, as he did in 2002.

"I think there's no question," said the Republican's likely presidential nominee. "I owe too much to these young people who are serving there to let political considerations interfere with what I know is right.

"I believe the American people, over time, will side with me, but if they don't I'll accept that," he said. "I'd much rather lose a political campaign than lose a war."

Stubborn, delusional, unwilling to admit error, even with advantage of hindsight. Is it any wonder that two-thirds of Americans are "very concerned" that McCain will indeed govern as the third Bush administration?

McCain, His "Truth Squad" and the Swifties

Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 12:25:47 PM PDT

A perfect convergence of faux outrage, hypocrisy, over-the-top statements and campaign dollars is taking place today.

Not only does John McCain's misnamed truth squad have former Swift Boat Vet attacker Bud Day on board, McCain's apparently taking scads of money from former Swifties as well this campaign season, according to USA Today:

WASHINGTON — Republican John McCain, who four years ago condemned independent ads challenging Democrat John Kerry's military record, has accepted nearly $70,000 for his presidential campaign from the top donors of the group behind the attack ads and their relatives, a USA TODAY analysis shows.

That's nearly four times the amount McCain received from those donors in the 14 years before launching his current campaign at the end of 2006, campaign finance records show.

In related hypocrisy news, fellow "truth squad" member Orson Swindle today has gone on the attack against Gen. Wesley Clark -- after the McCain campaign spent all day yesterday working up a media frenzy over what Columbia Journalism Review categorized as much ado about nothing. Swindle, in contrast to Clark, made a direct attack upon the former NATO commander's service record, calling it "less than stellar" in a conference call available at TPM:

General Clark probably wouldn't get that much praise from this group. I can't speak for them, but we all know that General Clark, as high-ranking as he is, his record in his last command I think was somewhat less than stellar.

Let the calls for disavowal of Swindle begin in the media! How many of you are holding your breath(s)?

Late Afternoon/Early Evening Open Thread

Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 04:05:43 PM PDT

Chapter XXII of The Rise and Fall of the Permanent Republican Majority, in which Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell admits it's "impossible" for the Republicans to retake the Senate this year.

Clark: Getting Shot Down Doesn't Qualify McCain for President

Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 09:00:42 AM PDT

On Face the Nation yesterday, Gen. Wesley Clark went where others fear to tread:

After saying, "I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in the armed forces, as a prisoner of war," he added that these experiences in no way qualify McCain to be president in his view:

"He has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee. And he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive responsibility. That large squadron in the Navy that he commanded — that wasn't a wartime squadron," Clark said.

"I don’t think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president."

The McCain campaign quickly trotted out retired Admiral Leighton "Snuffy" Smith (no, not kidding on nickname) to blast away at Clark, according to CNN:

"If Barack Obama wants to question John McCain's service to his country, he should have the guts to do it himself and not hide behind his campaign surrogates," Smith said.

Needless to say, stating that McCain has had no executive responsibility and that getting shot out of the sky is not a presidential qualification is not the equivalent of questioning McCain's service to country, no matter how horrified Admiral Snuffy wants to play it.

And as our own Lava20 astutely asked in a recommended diary yesterday:

Okay.  Did a surrogate just attack a candidate for having a surrogate speak for them?

Why, yes.  Yes, he did. Thanks for asking.

Late Afternoon/Early Evening Open Thread

Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 04:36:45 PM PDT

Why are YOU voting Republican?

And if you're NOT stomping out the door and voting Republican, but want to be heard on FISA anyway, think about joining the MyBarackObama.com group Senator Obama - Please Vote NO on Telecom Immunity - Get FISA Right. With 2300+ members joining just since Thursday, it's near cracking into the top ten largest groups on the site. Why not chime in? [Kagro X]

Book Review: Feld's and Wilcox's "Netroots Rising"

Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 12:05:39 PM PDT

Netroots Rising: How a Citizen Army of Bloggers and Online Activists Is Changing American Politics
By Lowell Feld and Nate Wilcox
Praeger Publishers
Westport, CT: 2008
230 Pages, $39.95

... we believe that once people get a taste of activist, netroots democracy it will be difficult--if not impossible--to convince them to return to mass media passivity.

When Lowell Feld and Nate Wilcox speak, political activists everywhere should listen. And luckily for us, they've come together to share their vast online organizing experience -- Feld as the founder of Raising Kaine, Wilcox as premier online communications director for various national campaigns -- in the splendid Netroots Rising, a chronicle of war stories and lessons learned from the trenches of the nascent online movement.

Make no mistake: This book is simply the best account of the origin and mission of the netroots out there, bar none, in any medium.

It's a terrific read on every level. First off, it's simply storytelling at its best. Feld and Wilcox manage to juggle different storylines--the Draft Clark movement/campaign, the Draft Webb movement/campaign, Texas redistricting, just to name a few--and write about them with an immediacy and clarity that keep you on the edge of your seat ... even when you know how it ends. The glimpses behind the scene of the personalities, frustrations and debates over tactics are revelatory and gripping, even for high-information political junkies. The authors bounce back and forth between the different storylines fairly easily, keeping a chronological feel to the work as a whole even as they face the difficulty of jumping from Texas to Virginia, from national to local. This is no mean feat, and while some of this switching is slightly jarring, it's hard to see how the information could have been structured any differently and still come together as a coherent whole.

Secondly, the authors, between the two of them involved intimately with a wide variety of campaigns, still manage to walk that thin line between idealism and pragmatism that we all try to straddle. They document the nitty gritty of working a netroots campaign, trying to get a voice inside tightly structured operations, fighting for a larger voice in the top-down, old-fashioned hierarchy of traditional campaigns. Yet they also manage to retain enough objectivity to realize the netroots, citizen-based-only model is not the entire answer to political intractability, and that a pro-am approach is best. And the problem of integration of bottoms-up forces with professional strategists is one of the primary focuses of the book, as it happens.

With the Draft Clark movement, they say, we witnessed what happens when the people-powered aspect is completely shut out once the candidate commits and puts himself in the hands of the "experienced." The Draft Clark movement was remarkable for its early energy and astounding accomplishments, yet the citizen army that evolved around it was completely dismissed once the whole deal became real, respectable and "serious."

In contrast, the Draft Webb movement (spearheaded by Feld, who amazingly quit a long-term career to throw his lot in with the campaign), did a better job--though still far from perfect-- in channeling the energy and commitment of its passionate volunteers. This relationship between traditional politicking and the new brand associated with the rise of the modern people-powered movement is tracked and revisited repeatedly in Netroots Rising in all the various instances the authors address.

The work also excels in its conscientious reportorial standards. The opinions and experiences of Feld and Wilcox alone would be worth hearing, but what pushes the book into "must read" territory for the practical progressive is their interviewing prowess with all manner of people associated with both the netroots and traditional campaigns. Volunteers who'd never dreamt of activism tell their own tales of political awakening alongside political professionals, like Glen Maxey of Texas, state legislator and long-time activist. Both the Clark and Dean campaigns, of course, were hothouses for early grassroots and netroots activism, with lineages reaching deep into the current blogosphere, and many familiar names pop up with spot-on observations: Jerome Armstrong, Matt Stoller, Markos and a host of others. Even operatives from the "other side" are interviewed, like Jon Henke, the unfortunate soul in charge of George Allen's online campaign who faced the infamous onslaught of the Virginia liberal blogosphere in the wake of "macaca." The diverse opinions and experience the authors sought out really lend a richness to this book that would have been lacking otherwise.

Further, the writers' total immersion in the culture and aims of the netroots allows them to articulate its passions in a way that outsiders covering the phenomenon simply fail to do (as evidenced in the succinct blockquoted bit that opens this review). Both strategically and linguistically, they roll out sentence after sentence, chapter after chapter, that perfectly captures the ethos of what the netroots is committed to accomplishing: the tactic of inflicting "forced errors" on a weak opponent, of leading the traditional media to a story and making it drink, of tapping unexpected talents wherever they may arise and connecting them to the larger progressive infrastructure.

Above all, the book is handbook of practicality—and it doesn’t end at giving you tips on what works, but actively illustrates success with examples and explanations so that the reasoning behind it is apparent ... and more readily replicable.

Most importantly to the future of the modern progressive movement, Feld and Wilcox are able to objectively examine what goes right and what goes wrong when professional staff, grassroots volunteers and netroots enthusiasts come together. It's a new frontier, one fraught with possibilities for failure, jealousy and misunderstanding, but these two netroots veterans manage to keep a level-headed balance between realistic expectations and inspirational goals. While they consistently take pride in the success of their wired part of the movement, they recognize that in order to fulfill its full potential, an integration between institutionalized politics and people-powered movements must occur, and that blogs--in all their gradations of variety, activism and different shades of serving as media--are still in an exciting phase of evolution. Their authorial insights are invaluable, thought-provoking and constructive.

Netroots Rising is a tour de force--comprehensive and interesting, full of character, personality, passion and commitment--not unlike the actual movement its authors are documenting, a concrete resistance to "mass media passivity" that cannot be more strongly recommended.

Late Afternoon/Early Evening Open Thread

Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 04:14:30 PM PDT

Coming Up on Sunday Kos ....

  • DarkSyde will team up with Josh Rosenau, Public Information Project Director at the National Center for Science Education, to present a textbook example of the latest in antiscience trickery.
  • DemFromCT will review the schizophrenic attitude networks have toward polls and polling data.
  • brownsox will eye the seats of the most battle-tested of Republican incumbents.
  • DHinMI will argue that we are reaching the end of a political order in which dealing with the changes of race and feminism dominated national politics.
  • SusanG will review Lowell Feld's and Nate Wilcox's Netroots Rising.

Late Afternoon/Early Evening Open Thread

Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 04:25:33 PM PDT

Coming Up on Sunday Kos ....

  • DarkSyde will team up with Josh Rosenau, Public Information Project Director at the National Center for Science Education, to present a textbook example of the latest in antiscience trickery.
  • DemFromCT will review the schizophrenic attitude networks have toward polls and polling data.
  • brownsox will eye the seats of the most battle-tested of Republican incumbents.
  • DHinMI will argue that we are reaching the end of a political order in which dealing with the changes of race and feminism dominated national politics.
  • SusanG will review Lowell Feld's and Nate Wilcox's Netroots Rising.

McCain Takes Credit for GI Bill He Opposed

Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 12:50:32 PM PDT

Not only did John McCain miss the vote on Webb's GI bill, he actively opposed it as overly generous.

But little things like facts don't get in the way of McCain.

Today, in Ohio:

I'm happy to tell you that we probably agreed to an increase in educational benefits for our veterans that not only gives them  increase in their educational benefits, but if they stay in for a certain period of time than they can transfer those educational benefits to their spouses and or children. That's a very important aspect I think of incentivizing people of staying in the military.

Then again, maybe he just forgot his previous stand.

Late Afternoon/Early Evening Open Thread

Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:09:50 PM PDT

I got nuthin'. But I'm betting you guys got something, so have at it.

Late Afternoon/Early Evening Open Thread

Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 04:40:25 PM PDT

Just a reminder from a few days ago, when John McCain's deputy e-campaign director Mark Soohoo was asked whether it would be a problem to elect a computer-illiterate president at the Personal Democracy Forum.  "You don’t necessarily have to use a computer to understand how it shapes the country," he started to explain.

Unfortunately for Soohoo, also on the panel was Tracy Russo, chief blogger and Deputy Online Communications Director for John Edwards' presidential campaign.

Good times. Good times. This thread is wide open.


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